(Iraq vs US) or (Linux vs Windows)?

LP · 20-03-2003, 05:21 AM

Well, you've seen the topic name, which is basically the introduction... look, US and Iraq are both made of living people, as both Windows and Linux run on the same circuits. There've been many flame wars between Windows and Linux and many discussions, but did anyone consider killing each other because he didn't like the other OS?
I feel a shame for people living in United States because their president has no human concience. There will be no forgiveness ever for somebody who kills a single person. No matter how bad Saddam Hussein can be, no matter if there's any oil in Iraq and no matter what race lives there, President Bush has no right to kill innocent people! Myself, I know an arabian... he is good person and wise programmer and he also has family. Why does he and his family need to die just because *Bush* wants to disarm Iraq (which "has chemical weapons")? I haven't heard the date when US disarmed itself. Did not? So, US has enough nuclear weapons to destroy several times our planet Earth, not including loads of armament in order to kill everyone on the planet, like few bullets per person, and worst of all - an inhuman president who has the power to use all the weapons he needs.
As far as my understanding of terrorism goes, Terror is when innocent non-military people are killed in a military action (concept probably goes from World War 2). In Bush's command, lots of civilians, mostly Arabs have been killed. Isn't this terrorism? ...or a mistrake? ...or are Arabs no longer considered living people just because of their religion or because some of them committed suicide-bombing? Well, thinking like that, I'd better get a gun and go to the nearest Internet Cafe and kill everyone there just because they're "lamers"!
Oh well, any of you from US, do you think that we'd just kill each other? Is all life we live worth anything, when we do nothing, but to actually destroy what we have? I hope not...

**ra001** · 20-03-2003, 06:56 AM

Its is werry sadly who is on planet today. My cuntry government is with Bush and play some game with him. But my country people is against war, i dont understud so match in big politic and i don know why this war is necessary un how stop this madness, but i understud only one - war is big mistake...

**Ultra** · 20-03-2003, 09:41 PM

I'm against the war. I really don't see what anyone would have lost if the weapon inspection continued. But I must also add that I don't think that Iraq would be so helpful as they actually were if USA and their allies hadn't threatened with war.

I don't support Saddam at all, in comparison with him Bush almost look like one of the good guys, but I can't support the killing of so many lives for something that could have been solved in another way.

**fitzbean** · 20-03-2003, 11:03 PM

Lol, Lifepower..

If a crazy kid lived down the street from you who on any given day could freak out and come kill you while you are sleeping, what would you do? That's basically what Saddam is. It has nothing to do with your programming arabic friend - I'm sure he's a great person; unfortunately, the deck of cards he drew from at birth put him where he is now -- under the thumb of a potential madman. It's not his fault - it's not his doing. Nobody is blaming him. Nobody is trying to kill civillians - but unfortunately, Saddam is so unhonarable, that he'll use his own people at the drop of a hat for a human shield if the situation arises. Where ever you live, by the way, the US is helping you too. If we let Saddam get away with continued building of weapons & ruling, no doubt there would be two more crazy leaders tommorow.

Fitz

LP · 22-03-2003, 05:43 AM

Greets... Fitz, why is Saddam so unhonorable? please, provide few arguments... who said he was going to unleash murder or how do you know he will? I mean, Iraq has been in stable non-aggressive position for years, it's very unlikely and not logical it would make any aggressive acts (which will turn entire world against it) after the the Afganistan attacks... I once saw a TV after Afganistan bombing... what I saw impressed me... ruined city... all buildings completely destroyed, everything that many people called "home" was now a bunch of rocks. Did US help these people? I tried to imagine, if this would happen to me... if someone would destroy my home, kill my friends and ruin the hope of living in peace... now matter how much help they'll provide later, I won't forgive them. And I'm sure nobody out there will. Sorry, I can't say that US is helping anybody... and US is not peace-keeping, it's peace-broking (war with Iraq is the proof). It's a pity that a country where I was planning to work (btw I don't plan that anymore, because it's most likely the situation in US will get much worse) has fallen that much.

**Xorcist** · 22-03-2003, 07:43 AM

You're better off staying where ever you are Lifepower. No seriously, all the major technology companies in the U.S. are hiring... get this... all but U.S. citizens. Hell Sun is being sued for laying off a huge amount American workers so they could outsource for cheaper labor from India! Your chances of getting a job for a company based out of the U.S. are actually better if you don't live in the U.S. It's sad, but unfortunately it's true.

As for the whole "war" thing. I'm not in a position to care. So I don't.

**Paulius** · 22-03-2003, 09:42 AM

I'm not saying that US is doing a good thing, but hey do you know how people live in Iraq. They have lots of oil, but aren?¢_Tt getting anything from it, because of Sadams government. Uneducated, poor people can be controlled and convinced that US is responsible for all their troubles much easier. What they are taught at schools is not much more then using AK-47 and why Americans are evil. Lifepower, do you watch CNN, most people go about their business and aren?¢_Tt that unhappy about this war. They aren?¢_Tt really free now, I?¢_Tm not sure, but I think it's even illegal to use the internet there. Look even at Afghanistan, US 'freed' it and now buys oil from them at normal prices. Infact people in Iraq will probably live better after the war. US's goal is to eliminate a threat, they think that unhappy nation produces unhappy leaders which are dangerous and happy people cause no threat, so they strive to make 'freed' countries happier. Look at Japan, US put lots of money into it and now its prospering and has no wish for war. I find worlds politics funny: Russia shouts stop the war, while they are at war with the Chechens, France wants to show off and look important as always (like when accepting Britain into the EU) and who knows what Germany wants to achieve.
Lifepower you think Sadam wants to live in peace? Weapon inspectors did find missiles with range capabilities which exceeded those allowed by UN resolutions, if Iraq wasn?¢_Tt going to attack then why build missiles which break UN resolutions? Yes war is a bad thing, but hey, Iraq produces terrorists (Sadam even offers help to them), which threaten more innocent people then this war.

**fitzbean** · 22-03-2003, 05:14 PM

Lifepower,

Saddam has killed tons of his OWN people, whole families even, for no obvious reason - it's well documented. I can't imagine why you are defending such a man, really... get a grip.

**Stevie56** · 23-03-2003, 01:50 PM

As this is a programming forum, I will not respond to any remarks regarding the invasion of Iraq. Those interested my views can find them expressed on more germain forums than this.

Except I will say comparing programming rivalry with slaughtering my fellow human beings (whatever their race, creed colour or how horrible their leader) is such a cheapening of the worth of human life.

A few lines of code compared against a human being?

Am I on the right planet?

LP · 24-03-2003, 02:09 AM

I'm not at Saddam's side, but I don't blame him for things he did not. I haven't seen any useful documents saying that he was. I just say, because of one man, you just can't attack the country.
Stevie, sorry, but I thought forum description "Anything else you need to say, do it here

" would be acceptable for this topic, besides I just wanted to hear programmer's opinion

Personally, some of my grandparents died in second world war, that's why I'm all against it. I think few "important people" or even "important countries" can't play god by deciding whether to bomb one country or not. As for missiles, sorry to ask again, but does US have long-range missiles or all its weapons are within UN restrictions? Don't interpret me badly, I ask this because obviously I don't know, but I think it does.