Let me run this scenario past you then.
I, like the other guys in class have not done any programming before.
We've so far had 2 presentations, each 15 mintes and neither of which was very enlightening.

Don't think for one minute that I'm simply copying the text and help given cos thats crap. What I'm askign for is explanations and/or ideas on improvements.
for ex, the readln,ch) thing. THAT seems fairly obvious yet not pointed out to me by tutor?! Simple things and simple mistakes like that annoy me.

I've spent a great deal of time poring over websites reading how tos and generally learning more. BUT, it's one thing to read a guide and another entirley to see a workign example.

From what I wrote, you can see that I've done the majority of the task, I simply do not know how to combine the loops, if I did I wouldn't need to ask for assistance / guidance from here.

To clarify a point - each of the homeworks we're set coulnts towards the general result that we get so it's important for me to get it right.