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[Ingemar]

[*]New mini competitions via PGD Challenge

I was very happy about that, not least to keep is fairly tight (so you don't have to use the whole summer to stand a chance) and with a theme.

[*]Students are getting excited and posting here on PGD now thanks to Dr. Norman Morrison and my own personal interests in getting young people interested in learning Pascal again.

This is particularly important. We have the right tools, we only need someone to tell the students about them. I would like to teach Pascal here but nobody seems to remember it and nobody knows how good it is. I know, but my courses are 3rd year and up and I don't have time to introduce a new language in such courses. They do teach Ada at lower grades but nobody seem to follow that up.

And of course those of us who are veterans need some patience with the newbies so they feel welcome. I think the community is pretty good at that.

Bad stuff? None that I can think of, really. It would be good with a bit more traffic, but you are definitely doing the right things to encourage that. (I am here much more often than before, that can be a positive sign.) I need more Mac/iOS people here to get more people doing things I do but there is some iOS interest so that isn't too bad.

[phibermon]

I think that from what I've seen, you're doing an awesome job. since I've joined the community I've seen this site go from strength to strength to become an excellent resource for *all* programmers. OOP can be read and understood by anyone who codes and the techniques and discussions here are useful on all kinds of levels.

There are all kinds of skill sets and lots of great ideas and the community is growing in strength!

All kinds of exciting developments in the OOP world will bring an influx of new coders. XE2 will see many new people picking up the language and Firemonkey will see many of them realize that graphics is not the impossible topic they imagine! thanks to the hard work of people such as Dr. Norman Morrison (http://pp4s.co.uk/index.html) more and more institutions will adopt and re-adopt OOP as the learning language of choice. It really is the best, here in the UK Pascal was the main educational language for a long time and there's very good reasons for that! OOP teaches you far better than C or Java, how to think about your code in a generic manner. An OOP coder will always have an easier time picking up a new language than someone that started elsewhere. It was designed by a genius for that very reason!

Umm, sorry getting off topic

So yes! I think you're doing an excellent job, this place has become a big part of my recreational life as it has for many others and it's thanks to your hard work that the community shines as it does

The age of PGD is upon us! *insert age of empires soundtrack here*

[WILL]

Thanks guys, it's nice to hear my efforts do have an impact.

Well attracting new Pascal programmers is the thing isn't it? I'd like to get more schools on-board with Dr. Morrison's PP4S project. I was even considering a paid set of courses on getting started in game development with object pascal that we could offer to those interested in really learning how to get started. It would be really low cost and not certified or anything, but it could be something fun that PGD newbies could do to get started making games with Object Pascal.

Mac is another thing I'm trying to help cultivate (heck I bought one last year) but at the same time I don't want to make Windows users feel less important here. PGD is and always has been an "all inclusive" club for Pascal (any dialect) programmers (and other game designers/artists/musicians) who want a community to be able to share ideas and learn about making games. (and other tools that help make them too)

[code_glitch]

Over the holidays, I got the chance to meet some family and friends - some of which are over at Uni doing various PhDs. I also came across something interesting: Pascal is heard of, but from their perspective a pascal programmer that uses OpenGl etc... Is like a mystical guru of the deep that has a big white beard and makes magic happen. Once I pointed out it was the founding father of Delphi and related to Ada and etc, I think we may see a troop of new converts for various reasons - just doing my 'propaganda' distribution for the community

[chronozphere]

Thanks guys, it's nice to hear my efforts do have an impact.

They absolutely do! There wouldn't be much of a community left, if you weren't doing things like the news wrap-ups and the pascal gamer mag.

All kinds of exciting developments in the OOP world will bring an influx of new coders. XE2 will see many new people picking up the language and Firemonkey will see many of them realize that graphics is not the impossible topic they imagine! thanks to the hard work of people such as Dr. Norman Morrison (http://pp4s.co.uk/index.html) more and more institutions will adopt and re-adopt OOP as the learning language of choice. It really is the best, here in the UK Pascal was the main educational language for a long time and there's very good reasons for that! OOP teaches you far better than C or Java, how to think about your code in a generic manner. An OOP coder will always have an easier time picking up a new language than someone that started elsewhere. It was designed by a genius for that very reason!

To be honest, I don't entirely get this part. You're talking about it as if OOP is a language, while it's a paradigm. So how does OOP teach you better than C/Java? I'd say that C has nothing to do with OOP and is usefull in totally different areas, while learning java is almost the same thing. Java is one of the most Object oriented languages I've seen until now.

Overall I agree with you that OOP gives developers a very comfortable and easy-to-use approach creating good software. If I were to create a software product, 99% chance I'd use an OOP language. That being said, I think it's worth it to look in other directions. For example, the functional programming paradigm. Langauges like OCaml or Haskell are harder to learn/use, but the programming model has some very interesting properties that normal OOP doesn't have (Like high reliability, easily parallelizable etc).

[Murmandamus]

I think he meant Object Pascal, not Object-Oriented Programming. OP instead of OOP

[Chesso]

The way to attract or convert people to OP in general (or in my case Delphi), I know of only one.

They need to be shown from the beginning what ridiculously amazing things you can do with it, making games being probably the top attraction. I have been trying to get family members and friends interested, even in just programming or scripting in general but to not much success.

My brother is still fiddling with that darn object/scripting engine thing you get through steam (not sure what it's called), but the language looks reasonably complex and he is good at it, it's just a matter of getting him interested in building something from scratch instead of playing with someone else's toy lol.