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  1. #11

    Borland selling their IDE business

    My problem is that I like pascal. If no-one continues to support Delphi, regardless of the version, then I'm blown out of the water. I hate c/c++/c#. It's overly complex, IMO, and is a total eyesore.

    But if that's what I need to use to make games anymore... I don't know what I'll do.

  2. #12

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Kosek
    But if that's what I need to use to make games anymore... I don't know what I'll do.
    Surely you don't need the next Delphi xxxx version to create games. If there's no more after D2006, I'll still be a happy D5 user any day of the week.

  3. #13

    Borland selling their IDE business

    I don't plan to make only freeware stuff, I have to eat somehow, right? So read my EULA snippet:

    4. LICENSE TERMS FOR THE WORKS YOU CREATE USING BORLAND
    DELPHI PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION EDITION VERSION 6
    Borland grants to you as an individual, a personal,
    nonexclusive license to install and use the Software for the
    sole purposes of designing, developing and testing in source
    and compiled form, the works which you create using this
    Software only for your coursework or research ("Works"),
    subject to the restrictions in this License Agreement.

    Nothing in this License Agreement permits you to derive the
    source code of files that Borland has provided to you in
    compiled form only, or to reproduce, modify, use, or
    distribute the source code of such files. You may
    distribute source code or compiled code that is entirely
    your own, subject to the restrictions below. Source code
    which you generate with a Borland source code generator,
    such as the Application Wizard, is considered by Borland to
    be your code. Distribution of your Works, whether in source
    code or compiled form, may only be made to other licensees
    of this Software. All distribution must be non-commercial,
    in other words, you may not receive any direct or indirect
    compensation for your distribution.


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    REDISTRIBUTABLES
    You may compile (including byte-code compile) your own Works
    using this Software, including any libraries and source code
    included for such purpose with this Software. You may
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    ...

    Fun. :evil:

    So I have to buy SOME copy if this hobby is to support me, but I can't even sell my own work to get money with which to buy a copy. Not even E-Bay will have low enough prices for my budget.

  4. #14

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Kosek
    So I have to buy SOME copy if this hobby is to support me, but I can't even sell my own work to get money with which to buy a copy. Not even E-Bay will have low enough prices for my budget.
    Well, you could enter PGD contest and win your copy of BDS 2006.

    P.S. This is rather an off-topic question, but let's suppose this scenario: you write your *.PAS files in Notepad and then ask a friend, who has bought PRO version of Delphi to compile it and give it back to you. Does this allow you to sell your program? [If this works, it may be a solution for you, Robert ]

  5. #15

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Hmm, I don't know... it's sneaky and I like it, but I dunno. I'm pretty darn close to getting an illegal copy, even if I don't use it, just to spite Borland.

    Yeah, I could try for the contest, but since I've not actually released one of my games, let alone actually finished one, my chances are low. That's why I started the Just Die already project of mine, hopefully practice up for next year...

  6. #16

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Kosek
    Hmm, I don't know... it's sneaky and I like it, but I dunno. I'm pretty darn close to getting an illegal copy, even if I don't use it, just to spite Borland.
    [Warning="sensitive content"] Have you wondered, how many people participating in PGD contest that use Delphi are having license for it? (talking about any license, even the educational one ) [/warning]

  7. #17

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Quote Originally Posted by savage
    I'm not aware of how to split threads, apart from cutting and pasting.
    There is "||" button on bottom-left of the page. You select the specific topics and they are created in a new thread (there doesn't seem to be an option to move to existing thread).


  8. #18

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Done, thanks for pointing that out.

    The new thread has been created @ http://www.pascalgamedevelopment.com...ic.php?p=19402 and I will delete the previous one.
    <br /><br />There are a lot of people who are dead while they are still alive. I want to be alive until the day I die.<br />-= Paulo Coelho =-

  9. #19

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Here's the a link to the MP3 of a public online chat with the IDE/Tools Developer team that was held yesterday - http://bdntv.borland.com/replay/mp3/...dev_future.mp3
    <br /><br />There are a lot of people who are dead while they are still alive. I want to be alive until the day I die.<br />-= Paulo Coelho =-

  10. #20

    Borland selling their IDE business

    Also worth listening to is this http://bdntv.borland.com/replay/mp3/..._btp_devco.mp3 which is a chat with the Borland Technology partners.
    <br /><br />There are a lot of people who are dead while they are still alive. I want to be alive until the day I die.<br />-= Paulo Coelho =-

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