I use Sun's JRE and it's still flaky, but that's not the point. I hate Java for 2 valid reasons: 1) Run-Time compilation 2) It's caused me as much trouble as .NET; And when it's as aggravating as .NET to me I'll never use it. It's installed, but I turned it off in FF because of this. When i've reformatted and reinstalled completely, 7+ times, due to .NET this ought to be a not-so-subtle hint about my liking of Java.

But there's a better reason as to why we shouldn't use JAVA. It's on our banner. PASCAL. Indy has built in IRC Components, so why hasn't anyone made or considered making an IRC Client? Or at least starting a community project? All you'd have to do is download, it'd be faster then JAVA (no run-time compiling), and enter your nickname. There you go, that's it.

Besides, we're almost all programmers to some extent. We want to chat together with other programmers and newbies who want to learn. These aren't the people foreign to computers or the online 'world' per se.